White supremacists often care about "racial purity". The people in the NPR and CLV homelands of PIE and PIA were composed of 2- or 3-way proximal mixtures of ~6 distal sources (BHG-EHG-Anatolian-Mesopotamian-CHG-Central Asian), themselves mixtures of more even earlier sources.

Phenotypically (another thing white supremacists usually care about), the PIA/PIE overall had brown or dark hair, brown eyes, and an intermediate skin tone, not a very good or obvious match for the physical traits that white supremacists usually care about.

So the racial purity or phenotypic ideals that white supremacists tie to Proto-Indo-Europeans are empirically wrong. One can oppose their ideas for a variety of political or moral reasons, but inasmuch as they tie them to actual PIE speakers 5-6 thousand years ago: simply wrong.

We don't have to negate the (widely accepted in linguistics) idea of a Proto-Indo-European homeland because of its unsavory associations. It just happens to be the case that the homeland and the people in it didn't much fit the white supremacist ideals at all.

White supremacists typically warn against mixture and migration; in the case of Indo-European speakers, the ones who stayed in the homeland and avoided mixing were totally gone by 2000BCE. It's those that migrated/mixed with European/W/C Asian/Indian non-IE people that live on.

@iosif_lazaridis Excuse me: Why does this question matter? Who will be beneficiated by the "answer" of the question? In a fascist culture, could we find "scientific questions" that won't eventually misfired?

@MarcialCamposC People have been interested in their own past since there were people. So, it's quite natural to want to know what happened in the past with whatever tools we have at any given time. If some people don't care about the past they can ignore the question.

@iosif_lazaridis It's fine, you don't have to "nothing to see here" your own research just because Wengrow is insane!

@iosif_lazaridis Lazaridis is playing a common trope used to erase white-European identity, and promote false idea that IEs were "dark migrants" from Asia -------------------------------------- by pretending that any talk about IEs being "white and European" automatically = endorsement of the

@iosif_lazaridis @Steve_Sailer Πού ήταν;

@iosif_lazaridis The funniest part is when white supremacists mention “indo-European” and conveniently ignore the “indo part”. It means Indian too so it can’t be a term synonymous with “whiteness” and above all, it’s a language group, not an ethnicity.

@iosif_lazaridis “Indo-European” is a linguistic descriptor. @davidwengrow

@iosif_lazaridis @Steve_Sailer The proto Indo-European (“PIE”) studies are absolutely fascinating. Equally fascinating is how groups such as white supremacists and feminists wildly contort the findings to fit their narratives.

@iosif_lazaridis Yes any way you look at it the PIE people were not some stupid blonde fantasy. They looked most similar to Near Easterners, as did the Greeks and Romans.

@iosif_lazaridis “White supremacist” is just another antiwhite slur - it gets directed at Whites who oppose White erasure. It is antiwhiteism to support the deconstruction of White identity and White erasure of Western civilisation. There can be no Western civilisation without Westernkind.

@iosif_lazaridis I forgot, but remind me which modern population is genetically the closest to Yamnayas after 5'000 years ? And also back then, which population had the highest rate of dolicocephaly, fair skin, blond hair and blue eyes ?

@iosif_lazaridis Do you know a lot of white supremacists? Why are you so confident in speaking for them?

@iosif_lazaridis Any chance this guy is not motivated by a pure search for truth?

@iosif_lazaridis Dude, "white identity" gets enough hate as it is. Why do you feel the need to disassociate PIEs from us ?? This kinda explains why you have tried to force a Middle Eastern/southern origin for years.

@iosif_lazaridis I’m not sure he much cares about any of these details, but bless you for trying

@iosif_lazaridis The Indo-European homeland was actually the North Pole. The arctic origins of the human species are obvious to anyone who gives it a bit of thought.

@iosif_lazaridis Yes, it is better represented by the Ertebølle in Denmark than the Yamnaya, which have long been shown to not be the source but continues to be peddled. Obviously it was not from the Caucasus region as you like to push, randomly denying Caucasus languages existence.

@iosif_lazaridis Iosif, I gotta disagree. Indo European is a derived language type that itself would've been hybrid A "homeland" is just a myth Languages are always in flux and don't map neatly onto population, material culture, nor geography. Everytime we do that there are a million exceptions

@iosif_lazaridis If anyone's interested in an accessible treatment of this subject, which addresses all its sharp edges, nuances and historical (mis-)interpretations, I suggest my upcoming PROTO: HOW ONE ANCIENT LANGUAGE WENT GLOBAL @WmCollinsBooks https://geni.us/proto

@iosif_lazaridis I dont think you really appreciate what's at stake here for him. Genetics turning out with the same grouping and proximate urheimat as the skull measurers and ethnolinguists of the late 19th century is pretty distressing if you find those studies the pinnacle of racism.

@iosif_lazaridis Ancestry region of Proto-Indo-European speaking region correctly suggested by Paul Heggarty and now we have the first new Iranian ancient DNA samples from the Iranian Caspian Sea in Gilan connecting Iran-CHG to the CLV cline.

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@iosif_lazaridis Isn't this ironic that Hitler himself was defeated at the height of his advance at Volgograd basically reaching PIE homeland and defeated mostly by slavs, people whom he mistakenly considered a "lower race"?

@iosif_lazaridis There is no question there was a 'homeland'. The exact location, the culture within that 'homeland', & the genetic composition of its people are the issue. This study does (to me at least) present the most compelling arguments, especially early connections w/Mesopotamia,...

@iosif_lazaridis "Luv me 'orses, luv me kurgan, luv pastorlands. Ate bildins, ate blue eyes grow 'an gatherers. Not raysis' just like replacin' populations."

@iosif_lazaridis It would of course be interesting to learn what Lazaridis imagines 'white supremacists' to imagine. Is it possible that his aDNA expertise does not extend to understanding how desperately SJWs hang on to their myths and shibboleths?

@iosif_lazaridis White supremacists spend their time discussing paleo-genetics papers, stop your idiotic virtue signaling

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@iosif_lazaridis True Aryan's.