@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually Wow man. I've been extremely patient but one of us is being obtuse as fuck and spoilers, it ain't me. What I'm saying is that those numbers are based on crime methodology from the 20s. If racist policy causes more black people to be convicted you can't use those #s.
@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually Latest studies find that black people are three times more likely to be harassed/wrongfully convicted as compared to white people. If that is the case, what point is it to use police derived statistics to prove a point about racial crime?
@drtyirishtactx @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually 3 times what exactly? What percent of all convictions are wrongful?
@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually Look man. You asked me what I thought of your study. Don't ask questions you didn't want answered.
@drtyirishtactx @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually This is why it's impossible to take people like you seriously. "Don't ask questions you don't want answered." I answered it myself: Since 1989, 802 black murder convictions overturned 413 white murder convictions overturned
@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually No. You asked about ALL convictions which I took to mean all convictions for all crimes.
@drtyirishtactx @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually You act like you found the gotcha of the century about a 10-person average annual difference in exonerations with the below totals. Obviously we've only been talking about murder so that was implied.
@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually You are assuming that every innocent person gets exonerated. But that is beside the point. You are moving the goal post. My contention is not that black people are intentionally targeted; rather that the stats provided by law enforcement agencies are suspect.
@drtyirishtactx @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually Yes and I am asking for you to give any concrete evidence of that that isn't vibes-based. To which you proudly mentioned exoneration rates. Which show a difference of 10 per year out of thousands. SHOW ME THE BOOGEYMAN.
@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually So we have evidence that police puts threir thumb on the scales. You've acknowledged that. So now, you are asking me why I'm not comfortable using numbers derived from police statistics? Like.... is this a bit or something or are you incapable of drawing a conclusion?
@drtyirishtactx @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually 10 per year nationwide as a result of systemic/implicit bias is a drop in the bucket. Totally negligible. Way too small to affect any study I've shown. "Comfort" is in fact precisely the vibes-based bullshit I was telling you is meaningless. WHERE IS THE BOOGEYMAN?
@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually I genuinely don't know how much more conclusively I can demonstrate that there is a racial bias in police reporting than the fact that black people are seven times more likely to be falsely imprisoned for murder or how I can force you to extrapolate from that data point
@drtyirishtactx @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually This is why I was fishing for the actual numbers and had to find them myself. Ratios mean nothing. It's 10 fucking people per year. A fly is seven times bigger than a flea and they're both fucking tiny, so what??
@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually You are looking through the telescope from the wrong end.
@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually If you had a cashier and you checked the till personally once a month. Every time you checked it the till was $20.00 light. Would you think... Well they are only taking 20.00 a month... no big deal... or would you extrapolate that the malfeasance is happening all the time?
@drtyirishtactx @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually What level of math did you peak at just wondering? This shit is just embarrassing. Where are the thousands of misattributed homicides secretly done by dastardly whites? That's the only way overall ratios budge meaningfully.
@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually Calc 430: Introduction to Discrete Data Structures killed me.
@drtyirishtactx @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually Decent, decent, but what about stats-wise? This seems to be a shortfall. The extent to which you extrapolate innocence (which by nature would also have to involve a DIFFERENT RACE OF MURDERER TO EVEN FUCKING MATTER IN THIS DISCUSSION) is insane.
@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually I'm not making a question from statistic relevance, man... I'm kicking over the whole table because the data is based on a flawed premise.
@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually How about murders that aren't actual murders? Accidental homicides? Accidental ODs counted as homicides because a Lt is bucking for stripes?
@drtyirishtactx @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually Fuck p values, fuck any statistics whatsoever, fuck it all right? Why, you might ask? Well of course because blacks show massively disproportionate in-group bias on juries. There's nothing to glean here! All data is meaningless, because, you see, this system is flawed!
@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually I need more context.
@drtyirishtactx @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually I found a flaw in this evil evil system. Nothing matters, can't you see? Wrong end of the telescope buddy, probably add another 40% to the black murder rates yes sir.
@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually I'm saying there is a more honest way of confronting it than just assuming that every black person reported as a homicide was in fact a homicide and was committed by another black person.
@drtyirishtactx @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually I'm assuming you're autistic then based on the calc class vs. how obtuse you're being. Victims to perps is a pretty strong analogue. Then I gave you data based on convictions and you chimped out over 10 people a year. You imagine brazilian favela policing is a nationwide crisis.
@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually Let me ask you something, do you know what it takes to get exonerated? Like... the actual legal process of obtaining an appeal? Do you have an idea of the kind of resources required for that endeavor?
@drtyirishtactx @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually FOR IT TO MATTER, THE REAL PERP WOULD HAVE TO BE WHITE. Now, how racially segregated are high-crime pockets? OH LOOK THAT'S WHAT THE ORIGINAL STUDY WAS LOOKING AT. You're hopeless.
@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually I've already told you how a rich guy who runs over someone will be charged with a moving violation vs how a poor minority might get treated... just one of a thousand hypotheticals in which the bias of the system would skew the numbers being reported.
@drtyirishtactx @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually Yes the rich man driving through the black ghetto so late at night that there are no witnesses that see a white guy. Oh it's all coming together. Is he one of the ninjas perhaps?
@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually We are talking about IF something is reported as a murder or not. JFC
@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually Its like you are so wrapped around the axel of racial grievance that you are pathologically incapable of seeing the larger argument.
@drtyirishtactx @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually You are hallucinating Brazillian favela level police level malfeasance in 2025, and thinking thousands of black men are charged for murders actually committed by white men, despite high crime neighborhoods being extremely homogeneous. You have a magical understanding of the world
@W1REDGOD @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually Sure man... that's totally what I said and I'm sure any masochist willing to read this exchange will certainly agree that you are in no way straw manning. Good night.
@drtyirishtactx @Courier1138 @yuriviolence @commie_sutra @USAGoodActually "So we have evidence that police puts threir thumb on the scales. You've acknowledged that. So now, you are asking me why I'm not comfortable using numbers derived from police statistics?" -@drtyirishtactx, statistics(as a discipline)-denier