It's partly because the interaction is denser than it looks on the surface, partly because X is more right wing now, partly because I'm among few black people willing to entertain these axioms to their logical conclusion, and partly because OP portrays it positively.

When the groypers say "You shouldn't say that about yourself, brother," they are lying. The groypers themselves know that this is untrue, that if the black guy woke up genetically and aesthetically white tomorrow, it would be a cause for celebration.

The truth is, when the black guy says this, he's taking their logic more seriously than they're comfortable with. He knows the ontological value of civilization. He recognizes his genetic hinderance of civilization. He rationally concludes he's ontologically inferior.

And see, the groypers in this situation want to have their cake and eat it too. They not only want what they see as the good outcomes of racial hierarchy, but also the veneer of egalitarianism.

But the logical path I just laid out the by black man in this situation is not unique to this discussion. It's a fundamental property of how preference orderings work...as in, they are hierarchies.

As soon as you: Set *any* teleological goal (I desire high trust civilization) Make empirical claims about compatibility (Group X's traits are incompatible) You've created a hierarchy of groups corresponding to how compatible they are with that goal. https://x.com/zeeo7824/status/...

In other words, if you believe in genetic determinism, then ANY preference ordering over ontological outcomes necessitates a corresponding preference ordering over races proportional to how compatible those races are with said outcomes.

I've had multiple people, both on X and Discord, try to argue me out of this. And you can! But it will cost you. Each bit of distance you try to place between you and that grim reality you don't want to articulate to your black friend will force you to surrender something.

You can surrender preference orderings. This means telling the black man that objective differences do not translate to ranking of value or worth, but it also means surrendering the justification for being against integration, miscegenation, etc. https://x.com/zeeo7824/status/...

You can surrender ontology. This means telling the black man that his genetic civilizational incompatibility doesn't translate to ontological inferiority, because we place no ontological value in civilization! This surrenders traditionalism. https://x.com/zeeo7824/status/...

You can surrender objectivity. This means telling that black man that his genetic civilizational incompatibility is not ontologically inferior, it's just *different*. And different isn't necessarily bad! This also means surrendering truth. https://x.com/zeeo7824/status/...

You can surrender genetic determinism. They won't do this for obvious reasons.

Or, you can be honest, and surrender equal ontological value. You can bite the bullet, tell the black man honestly to his face: "Yes, you are inferior. Condolences for the bad spawn RNG" https://x.com/zeeo7824/status/...

But this would never happen, not only because the groypers are dishonest, but also because they are lazy and cowardly. Let me tell you why.

See, the black man is grappling with despair. The brutal knowledge of knowing that your existence is a stain, and from birth, there's nothing he can do to change that. Why reproduce? Why live? This is not something groypers are emotionally equipped to navigate.

So they jump ship. What looks like they're trying to comfort him, is actually them *abandoning* him. They're leaving him to deal with the reality of his situation alone because they're too cowardly to articulate to him the truth that he already knows.

More than that though, they're also disrespecting him. The black dude in this situation has already constructed a logical chain leading to a rational conclusion, and yet they think they can lie straight to his face. They think he's as dumb as their priors say he is.

Eigenrobot has a thread about the mechanics of compliments, and how you must help the person you're complimenting finish their story in a way they prefer. https://x.com/eigenrobot/statu...

While the groypers' response *sounds* like a compliment and *sounds* like it should bring solace, it's actually an abdication of the duty to honestly help finish the black guy's story. The story they wrote all but the final chapter to.

I talk a lot on my account about antiwhiteness. I feel it's an existential threat to the only win condition black people in America have: A post racial society. We have no other cultural homeland, no grand ancestral story of a nation-state to refer to, no other options

But it's hard for me to ignore that, mirror to every leftist CRT AA DEI enactment of hierarchical antiwhiteness dressed in faux egalitarian philosophy, there's a groyper running the exact same play, with me in the crosshair, thinking I'm too stupid to notice. Maybe we are, sadly