And for what it's worth, the entire talk is based on false dichotomies and equivalencies, and a lack of any coherent understanding of the most basic distinctions in political theory and logic.

@DrJordanBCooper I have had plenty of disagreements with Pr. Hess when he was here on X, and I might be missing something in his presentation, but I didn't take Pr. Hess to be defending chattel slavery but rather broadly articulating (not in the way I would have) there are Scripture references

@DrJordanBCooper Why are you trying to sew division by taking something he said out of comtext? He is quoting Luther, perhaps your difference should be with him.

@DrJordanBCooper In that section he doesn’t say it is commanded. He says it’s permitted (not a sin).

@DrJordanBCooper Thanks for the reminder to re-listen to Rev. Hess and his great presentation again.

@DrJordanBCooper Rev. Karl Hess or Chrysostom, Patrick, and Gregory of Nyssa? "Thicket of idols" LCMS at its finest.

@DrJordanBCooper Indeed! Alvin J. Schmidt, taught ethics at the Ft. Wayne seminary. He wrote about slavery, characterizing its abolition as "a Christian achievement."  See his book, “How Christianity Changed the World.” Also, John W. Montgomery has a helpful essay as a tactical abolitionist.

@DrJordanBCooper 1/ Jordan. This guy is a buffoon who said many bad things. But he did not say that chattel slavery is commanded by God. That would imply that every society ought to have slaves. He made no such claim. And though his remarks were wrong, the context shows that he was not 🧵

@DrJordanBCooper Listening to minute 32 and the second to last Q&A, he doesn't claim that chattel slavery is commanded. He does seem to claim that because the institution of slavery isn't explicitly condemned in the Bible that its either neutral or morally permissible. Big yikes either way.

@DrJordanBCooper Scary stuff, especially being a black Lutheran. There's more than a few troubling fads micturating (on) throughout the LCMS in these years because people are losing their minds in the culture war, and political environment we're in now. Basic distinctions, just be thrown out.

@DrJordanBCooper I truly believe that there is a theology of godly balance to which we're called--and which original sin is never going to let us experience, at least not for long in this life. One extreme to the next, radical to reactionary, woke to based.

@DrJordanBCooper Slavery, forced marriages, and other examples are normal in scripture, but we cannot say that it is absolutely necessary for it to be so at all times. For example, the Roman Empire had a different policy from theocratic Israel, but Paul points out that it has authority. 1/2

@DrJordanBCooper Kind of surprised to find this in the LCMS. I'm LCMS and have been my whole life. Maybe the Michigan District is different.

@DrJordanBCooper Just curious, where does scripture explicitly condemn slavery as such? I'm sure there's an hour long video of you meandering around the topic somewhere, but can you clarify concisely here for the sake of conversation?

@DrJordanBCooper why the heck is FlaneurRecord posting this stuff?

@DrJordanBCooper Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ; Ephesians 6:5

@DrJordanBCooper You hate God's word. That's why this shocks you.

@DrJordanBCooper Yeah, totally weird that a LCMS pastor would build an argument critiquing the idolatry of equality by quoting Luther and Walther and agreeing with them. What a salacious way to frame this. OTOH, unsurprising from a guy who didn't join the Synod because he denies 6-day creation.

@DrJordanBCooper If only there was a Church founded by Christ that could give us objective truth..😔

@DrJordanBCooper But we cannot say that slavery is inherently or absolutely immoral, since that would make the law of God in the Old Testament immoral. Don't you agree, Rev? (With this nuance 👇🏻) https://x.com/AugsKatholik/sta...

@DrJordanBCooper This is a pretty nasty post given 55:30. I don’t think he did a good job articulating his point, which was not a defense of slavery.

@DrJordanBCooper Are you kidding?

@DrJordanBCooper To be honest, I didn't even know the conference was happening.

@DrJordanBCooper Recover knowing what sins are by examining the Ten Commandments.

@DrJordanBCooper Logical fallacies and incoherence are unfortunately par for the course nowadays

@DrJordanBCooper Slavery isn’t a sin, the Bible tells me so.

@DrJordanBCooper Shocking

@DrJordanBCooper Unless I'm missing something, you quoted him wrongly. He didn't say God commanded chattel slavery at 32:00. He said He permitted it.

@DrJordanBCooper To be fair, about the 55 minute mark, he does make it clear that evil happened under American slavery, and that he would not want to see it return But from what I heard, yeah, I have questions

@DrJordanBCooper You absolute liar. The literal quote from him is “God permitted what is now called chattel slavery.” Is that equal to command? Repent please. What an outrageously twisted lie

@DrJordanBCooper Dude you are such a bad faith actor its actually insane. Your podcast is corny and you are an embarrassment to Lutherans everywhere. Also dont you work directly with antifa? What a joke

@DrJordanBCooper May God have mercy on us

@DrJordanBCooper Lutheran pastors should know that the Book of Amos is not a how-to manual.

@DrJordanBCooper Jordan, you can either become a slave or go to hell. Those are your options. You are headed to hell if you don’t repent.

@DrJordanBCooper This is a very dishonest take.

@DrJordanBCooper Cool I like Rev. Hess I’ll have to listen